Debate:differences between Traditional and Westernized Reiki- Meditation

[Yansay]

Hi

This is discusses time .
We all know that Dr Mikao Usui "discovered" Reiki after 21 days meditation.
Why now our students must have 21-days "diet "after attunement not before this?
How much important is on this, 21-days cleansing period, meditation?
Does anybody, who spiritually is not  on alpa level can see Reiki symbols?

Best wishes
Jaan

[Sumer]

Dear Jaan,
That is a very interseting point.
Thank you for addressing the issue.
My Teacher Mick start sending me Reiki before my attunement It felt like a cleansing period to me that  it prepared me for the big Moment
To the point that nothing dramatic happen after but only Peace and Joy and confidence.
I don't beleive personally in the 21 day period after attunement. From my expereince it worked better before.

As for Reiki SYMBOLS? i don't know
I know i saw the SEichim symbols in my meditation way before my attunement i draw them on my mandala until my teacher send me the mannual book and i realise that they were the same symbols.
I don't  remember what level i was Alpha or Betha/
It just happen...
I like to hear more other opinions
thanks again
In heart
sumer

[Alwin]

Hi Jaan,

I have some experience on that. 21 days is a general time. 21 days use to stabilize all your chakras and make sure all your chakras "accept" the energy. It`s not only 21 days. Maybe I have to make it more than 21 days  . But maybe someone have to make just for 10 days . It`s depend on one person.

That's my opinion and also my experience.  

With Light and Love,

Alwin.

[deb_anew]

21 is also a number associated with 'breaking the habit'.  

[Yansay]

Ok boys and girls

But goeing more deeply, in east there are acknowledges what is Ki (Chi, Qui....), against of west ackowledges : hope on the God. Maybe this is the main  reason why in west Reiki theory is so easy differently of eath- Bible is not very important for us and God is not our Father, but some kind of emergecy help . How deep are our prayers what we say not being on alpha level? Who knows answere?

Best wishes
Jaan

[Sumer]

Hello JAAN
Ok i have to say I love your accent
But  can you  explain what do you mean about the meaning of prayers.I;'m not sure i understood excatly what you are asking.
In heart
sumer

[Yansay]

Thank you, dear Sumer

Prayers I meaned meditations: prayers for connecting with High Power (or God), they must be deeply from hearth, with dead certainty what's result of firm up wishes.
There are very many people who are praying in style: "dear God- I am very buizy but this is prayer time by clock and I must have a prayer, because this is folk custom .

I saw very many Reiki healers who are putting their hands in Gasso and will say less than 4 seconds their Reiki-prayer .... and in begin of 5-th second are their hands on their client . Superficiality and soon they are in trouble: "why my Reiki is not working !!!?".

Best wishes
Jaan

[Sumer]

Hi JAan,
YEAh i agree prayers should be from the heart.
However i don't think the time matter
I think what matter is the intensity and the deep devotion ,the concentration on your prayers and the longings to reach the highest .
It can be done in 10 seconds if it is really pure and sincere and it will work better than one hour of meditation and prayers with No attention.
Is that was your question?
Love
sumer

[Yansay]

Thank you dear Sumer
Yes, this it was

Best wishes
Jaan

[igmar1973]

HI SUMER AND JAAN ...


I AM SURE ABOUT THAT PRAYER NEEDS TO BE FROM DEPTHS OF OUR HEART
BUT

IT IS NOT SO IMPORTANT NEITHER CONCETRATION IS SO IMPORTANT BECOUSE IN THE VERY SAME MOMENT WHEN U INVOKE CREATOR ,HIS POTENCIES OF LOVE KNOWLEDGE AND POWER ARE WITH US

SO TO SAY WHY U SHOULD HAVE TO MAKE MEDITATION AND TO SWITCH YOUR MIND TO LOWER FREQUENCIES ,THERE IS NO NEED FOR SUCH A THING (ESPECIALY) IF YOU ARE ALREADY HAVE DONE IT FOR YEARS
JUST ASK JUST PLEASE CREATOR AND THY WILL BE DONE

I AM NOT TALKING JUST FOR REIKI IN GENERALLY!!!

SO DEAR TEACHER YAAN I DO NOT AGREE WITH U THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DEEP TO BE DONE


BUT i ASK MYSELF WHY SHOULD ANYONE PRAY IF HE IS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT MATTER-PEOPLE AND SO ON


AND EVEN MORE WHAT ARE WE DOING ARE WE PERFORMING REIKI LIKE THEATRE AND CURING BECOUSE OF FUN


DO U UNDERSTAND ME WHAT I AM SAYING AT ALL!!!



AND FOR 21 DAY NOTHING CAN BE DONE EVEN GOOD CHAKRA BALANCING AND JUST FEW DAYS AGO I SEE A PERSON THAT RECENTLY HAD 1 ATTUN, VERY SATISFIED BECOUSE SHE DID PAY A LOT BUT NOTHING HAPENS SHE IS NOT ATTUNED ....


SO 21 WAS GOOD FOR MR.USUI BUT NOT FOR EVERYBODY


I HAD 14 DAYS EATING WATERMELLON BEFORE FIRST ATT, AND FEEL IT GOOD ....

[Sumer]

HI SUMER AND JAAN
SO TO SAY WHY U SHOULD HAVE TO MAKE MEDITATION AND TO SWITCH YOUR MIND TO LOWER FREQUENCIES JUST ASK JUST PLEASE CREATOR AND THY WILL BE DONE
BUT i ASK MYSELF WHY SHOULD ANYONE PRAY IF HE IS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT MATTER-PEOPLE AND SO ON
AND EVEN MORE WHAT ARE WE DOING ARE WE PERFORMING REIKI LIKE THEATRE AND CURING BECOUSE OF FUN


DO U UNDERSTAND ME WHAT I AM SAYING AT ALL!

Hi Marko,
I'm afraid i didn't understand what are trying to say here at all.
Also i don't agree that That  when we meditate we are  switching to lower frequencies. ..Actually it is the opposite whoever told that he or she are WRONG Maybe you made a written mistake here!
In heart
sumer

[alley]

If we are talking about brain waves...alpha... I believe it can be very quick to move into higher "meditative" brain wave frequency.

 This is what I do when I do theta healing...it is not like reiki or using reiki energy so I don't really discuss it on the forum often.

but I am very familiar with it.
alley~~*

[Sumer]

Dear ALley ,
can you share more information about it?
In heart
sumer

[Yansay]

Hi, Sumer

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mind    Brain wave           Description
state   cycles
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Betha:13.0-40.0 Hz Associated with the fully conscious
                                  waking state.
Alpa:  7.0-13.0 Hz   On Alpha levele we are awake, but
                                realxed. Sometimes described as
                                the day dream state.
Theta:3.5-7.0 Hz  Deeply realxed state of consciousness
                            this range is associated with Hypnosys
                            and Lucid dreams etc. Hard connection
                            with Universum for different kind
                            possiblities.
Delta:below 3,5 Hz  This range is associated with deep
                                  sleep.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Best wishes
Jaan

[Sumer]

HI jaan,
Thank you,
what i meant is the "theta healing"
'not the theta state
I already got some information on google
Thank you
sumer

[Yansay]

Dear Sumer

Theta level. In Silva, you remebere, this is room for healing etc. This is under this place on what you are on alpha level.  Theta level... there you can walk in Universum info level and all this info is fro you, can be in humans organism, can be everywhere. On this level you can control all, heal being in DNA. There you can change something.
Picturally: on this level are travels into past life too.
But, for all this needed very good pysical, metal and spiritul levels cowork

Best wishes
Jaan

[Carib_Chyna]

Hi

This is discusses time .
We all know that Dr Mikao Usui "discovered" Reiki after 21 days meditation

Best wishes
Jaan

Re discovered . Tibetan
Monks were doing it for yonkers back and Ancient Egyptians/Jesus and buddha.