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Different ways same result but less qualified?
« on: December 21, 2004, 10:45:28 PM »
Hy all

I have had a interesting discussion about the true origins of reiki  and if it is or is not the same energy as Universal Life Energy. Is not reiki a different way ti handle the ULE jist like you have prayers healings. Are we not useing the same energy but gave we it a different name because we handle it different?

I would like your input on it so that we can form an opinion on the subject. Please give it carefull consideration and do not just jump at conclusions about this. It is a very progressive way of a possibility to look at healing energy and it concerns the deep nature of reiki and theer fore it deserves your thoughts.

Awaiting your reply,

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2004, 11:14:44 PM »
Hi there

I'll be the first to respond to this Leon beaing as it was you and I having the discussion ;)

Ok folks, it started with Leons offer to teach on the forum and we were discussing the needs or otherwise of a 'teacher' being attuned themselves to the dgree where they could traditionally attune others.

I think it is fair Leon to maybe project a part of your own views as I understood them.

  • ULE is there for us all, attuned or otherwise. Certificates mean nothing.
  • You yourself have developed an ability or discovered an ability to use the energy without going through the traditional learnig methods
  • You felt that you would be able to teach others the use of the Reiki regardless of the way you had learned it yourself.
My views basically were as follows:-

  • I agreed that no person has the right to claim ULE as their own and as such I agreed totally with point one.
  • Your abilities are not under question. I have been one to one with you and acknowledge your abilities, reporting feedback at the time. I therefore agree with point two.
  • I had my doubts about point three, not based on your ability, but on the perception of a new student.
First, I need to be sure that Reiki is different to energy channeling. I see Reiki as including energy channeling, but I do not necessairly see all energy channeling as Reiki.

So, if a new student comes to the forum and requests teaching and progress in reiki, I cannot at present see that anyone other than an attuned person can offer the attunement process. That is not to decry Leons abilities or teaching skills on the energy channeling.

If I understood Leon correctly, he is saying that attunements are not necessary (indeed has not been attuned himself and of course has the skills so that point is proven to some extent) but I believe that they are a necessary part of Reiki systems.

So, as the discussion progressed, I suggested he post a message and lets get this one discussed on the forum by all.

Please understand that between Leon and I was no discomfort, the discussion was good. We agreed on most issues but questions arise for us both to try to find some better understanding. Leon asked me a blunt question to which I hgave him the answer as I felt it.

The question was basically this. Would I feel comfortable being taught by a person who had not been attuned nor certificated.

My answer was first that I am taught by everyone I come into contact with. I went further though and said that for me I would like to be taught by Leon as he has a lot to teach me, but I would not wish for him to be my only teacher and would prefer to have one who was indeed attuned to the level where the Reiki system allows them to attune me.

I know you didn't much like the answer Leon but it was my truth and I said I would like to hear what others feel also. I have so much to learn and this will cement even more for me as it progresses.


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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2004, 11:47:36 PM »
Okay,

I too have worked one on one with Leon and was nicely surprised by how effective his energy was within me.

Leon, the only problem I think you'll find with teaching your form of energy healing here is that it is a reiki forum.  

People come here because they are drawn to reiki and would prefer to learn the reiki system, the production of certificates doesn't come into it either, they are here to become attuned and learn reiki.

The above may sound harsh and I really don't mean it that way but don't know how else to put it really.

No offence intended here but people do a search for reiki and are shown to us.  It's then their decision what they do next isn't it.

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2004, 12:01:30 AM »
Dear Brothers of Energy

I will try, in my newbie way to participate here.

Reiki is more than just channeling energy. Dr. Usui did frequent Reiju to his student while he was teaching. I believe the focus was more to spiritual development than healing. If I want to proceed in Reiki, I'd like a Reikiteacher for that reason. During the attunement in Reiki there is also symbols that you are "attuned to". I want the spiritual part of Reiki.

An attunement in itself... isn't that  a sort of "cleaning the beer pipes" as T0ny puts it. That cleaning has not necessarily anything to do with Reiki. Any attunement would do that. Clearing the way for the energy to flow...

Then there is the topic of different frequencies/vibrations of different systems/attunements. What do I get by just being attuned without a defined system? How do I know where to start?

On the other hand I have no doubt about Leon's abilities to teach and channel ULE and I'd love to learn more on that.

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2004, 12:14:25 AM »
Sigh, this is a hard topic.
After reading all you postings what can I say?
All the replies make sense, Leons posting as well.
Tony, thank you for the very detailed explanation :)

My opinion for what is worth although it is more a question for Leon:
If you want to teach and attune into Reiki energy, why then don't you let yourself attune?
There are several masters on the board who will  be honoured I know for sure.
If you are indeed (self) attuned in the same energy level as Micheal mentioned (although I do not have much knowledge about that) then it will just give you a plesant boost.
If you are possible to transfer energy but it is on another frequency you then are asure you have a Reiki attunement.

For me, if I was a Reiki student, I want to be sure my master is attuned into Reiki.
It is a matter of trust perhaps.

This is just my opinion, with all the respect to Leon and all members of SRI, which I found hard to give.

Johan



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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2004, 02:04:10 AM »
Hi Leon,

I had originally typed this response the same day you posted, but then SRI went down and I couldn't post. I hope it's not too late to add to your discusssion.

This is an interesting subject. I'm sure there are many who haven't really thought of the differences in energy because they do come here looking for information about Reiki.

It seems as you are asking if ULE is specific to Reiki, or is it the basis of all energy systems.  I would think it is the basis of all.  HOWEVER, because I am attuned to Reiki, I bring the energy in as Reiki.  It is my perception of what the energy is, how it works.  You do energy work in your own way, and have not been attuned as such to Reiki.  So my belief is that you are doing energy work, but not Reiki.  I do believe that when we accept/receive attunements into Reiki then we become channels for Reiki.

This isn't to say your type of energy work is any less than or greater than Reiki.  It is just a different type.

Now based on this, would you be teaching Reiki?  I think you would be teaching your type of energy work.  You may be using components of Reiki within that structure, but until attuned to Reiki, then I don't feel it is specifically Reiki you would be teaching.

Leon, I hope you don't take this the wrong way.  I just am a firm believer that Reiki is Reiki.  Other energy work goes under many different titles.  All the same source perhaps, but different names.

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2004, 05:06:41 AM »
I also wish to chime in on this topic...

I agree that ULE is just that...Universal!!!

Source is Source.....but we are merely the channels....

I have had the opportunity to be attuned to Usui reiki...but before that attunement I was using energy...I was a healer of sorts.. so the attunement was no big deal to me....

However...I now realize that I was using my own power and energy to help people..and that the reiki attunement has protected me from doing this...This is very important when we are doing healing work

Leon, my son is also a "natural healer", he was healing animals, and himself and situations... and was not inclined to be attuned...but when I explained about the attunement being a way to protect your personal energy, he got attuned to level II reiki...and if you ask him he is very glad that he did.

Oneother thing in this matter, I have been attuned and trained into two other very powerful healing methods.
 They are both very, very different from reiki.  I can feel/sense/smell the difference when I am using them... :)

So I believe that there are many very different energies that are accessable to the human race.


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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2004, 09:12:51 PM »
Hello all,

So i have brought up a delicate subject here. It is sometime hard to express your real thoughts in typing so forgive me if it takes serveral Times.

I have given the subject carefull consideration the last days and would like to reflect my thoughts here.

1 Tony you were not completely right when you said that i should have said that attunements were not nessecerry. I ment they were not of any value to me and My situation. this does not mean that others might benefit from it.

2 I believe that an attunement clears the way of receiving energy, reiki or others. an attunement in it self doe not mean that you are able to teach reiki. I happen to come accross serveral people on this forum who are attuned but dont know nothing about reiki or any energy so let out how to guide or teach.  I was once attuned by a memebr of this forum long after i have discovered the energy my self, just to know what the effect would be. well there was no extra in it for me. i felt exactly the same as before. But then again i gave this a thought and chances are that i was attuned wrongly or not at all or that something else went wrong.  Because of that possibility and because i am not a ego i talked to a well know person on this form who is willing to give me an attunement, and i will report honnestly the feedback. But let me make my feelings clear  "buying a diploma/ attunement/certificate or anything else without the knowledge or experience does not make a reiki master. Having the knowledge and experience without a certificate attunement or anything  can make a reiki master.

3 I do not like the institution that is kept high: without a attunement you dont count. Well if that is the case i am sure that i know a hell of a lot more about energy and the behaviour of energy than most of the people that are masters arround here.Be aware no judging here, everyone is treated with respect by me and they will be in the future.

4 I know and have learned all the tips and tricks that come with reiki. I know the methods used and i know that everyone that claims to do reiki a certain style, is doing it differently, so what is the standard?

5 true  is mix some styles of energy healing, because i know that that mix will guarantee me the most effect. However i mainly use the reiki based principles. I might be wrong here, so those who know my style pls come forward and tell me and others what it is what the main difference is.

6 If attunements decide whatever you are reiki or not, why did we agree on the fact that natural atunements might be possible? Why cant someone be naturally connected to the reiki source?

7 Are attunements the key factor? or is the knowledge and experience more important?

8 Is the subject over after i have had an attunement? Will i be able to teach reiki differently than i am doing now?would be nice but i think that it is a dream. A style of teaching does not change by it.  It depend on the person who is the teacher if the knows the difference between the one style and the other. I think i know these differences, and i think therfore that i can teach them, however i might be wrong here so i will await the replies.

9 As a test on how this forum works and the ideas of the people attending it. i signed in under a fake name  and pretended that i had all certificates and attunements and being a master. Strange but noone complained  see where i am aiming at?  I hope that you all forgive me this way of handeling but that was the only way i knew to hold up a mirror.  Profile has been deleted and wont be used again

10  Those who know me longer  will know  that all i say is the truth. I dont Lie i completely stand behind a structural conversation.

Just my carefull thoughts part one folks.

Treat everyone with respect and dont feel superior if everyone did that the world would be much safer

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2004, 09:42:30 PM »
Leon

I am sorry if you feel I misquoted you in any way. As you will recall, our conversation was on MSN, with me typing and you speaking vocally. I therefore only had my end of the conversation recorded, along with my memory of what you had said.



Tony you were not completely right when you said that i should have said that attunements were not nessecerry. I ment they were not of any value to me and My situation. this does not mean that others might benefit from it.

We also discussed your dissatisfaction of a system which allows people to perhaps offer attunements over distance, who you suspected did not actually go through with them. This backed up your belief that attunements were not necessary. I agreed throughout that your personal situation was such that attunements had not been necessary for your brand of energy channeling work. I agreed that attunements are not necessay for every person who does energy channeling work, but I stand by my comments that for a person to teach REIKI, they should be attuned and have reached level three. If someone who is not attuned wishes to teach energy healing methods, then I see no problem with that. Just don't call it Reiki.

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I do not like the institution that is kept high: without a attunement you dont count. Well if that is the case i am sure that i know a hell of a lot more about energy and the behaviour of energy than most of the people that are masters arround here.Be aware no judging here, everyone is treated with respect by me and they will be in the future.

You knowledge has never been in question on energy channeling. The institution is not held HIGH as you put it. No-one has ever said yet that without an attunement you do not count. It is my belief that whilst we go with our instinct, to move too far away from the Reiki tradiitons and principles is dangerous ground. Feel free also to read the many threads about 'what makes a master'.


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I believe that an attunement clears the way of receiving energy, reiki or others. an attunement in it self does not mean that you are able to teach reiki. I happen to come accross serveral people on this forum who are attuned but dont know nothing about reiki or any energy so let out how to guide or teach.

I can only agree with you but wonder why you bring this point up.

In my view there are a number of factors which will qualify someone to teach Reiki. Of course an attunement does not give someone the knowledge to teach, nobody has suggested it does. That knowledge to teach comes from a number of sources, and is not restricted to time scale either.

Those who choose to 'teach' others do so because they feel they are in a position to do so. There are many who hold the term 'master' due to attunement and self work, who do not consider themselves in a position to teach. The 'Master' designation does not make a teacher. Nor does age and experience, nor does a certificate.

I too know many people on this forum who are attuned to level three yet choose not to teach, either through a lack of knowledge or through personal desire. Is your inference more towards those who are holding themselves as teachers but you do not consider them to have the necessary knowledge to do so? If so I would be happy to debate that with anyone as a seperate issue.

Perhaps you are just saying that the designation of master/teacher does not in itself make a person ready to teach. That has been discussed many time on this forum and the generally held belief is in agreement with that notion.


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Are attunements the key factor? or is the knowledge and experience more important?

Both are important factors in BEing reiki.


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As a test on how this forum works and the ideas of the people attending it. i signed in under a fake name  and pretended that i had all certificates and attunements and being a master. Strange but noone complained  see where i am aiming at?  I hope that you all forgive me this way of handeling but that was the only way i knew to hold up a mirror.  Profile has been deleted and wont be used again

Sorry Leon, but all that has proven is that people can be deceived in a forum based on honesty. That is something we already knew. It has proven nothing else at all.

This isn't about superiority in any sense of the word.

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2004, 10:35:56 PM »
Greetings Leon

I never got this was a delicate subject but.... now I see there is more to it than I first noticed. Let me give you some input on your post, from my newbie humble point of view.

2. I was attuned online, knowing really nothing about Reiki or what working with energy was. An attunement is definately not making me a master/teacher or giving me some knoledge in itself. An attunement for me, gives me tools in my energy-working-toolbox - symbols. I haven't paid anyone for my attunements. I have been attuned by people who do it out of love and...spreading the gospel :) I do have one certificate. It looks really nice but it doesn't make me a teacher or a master of the energy. It just says I'm attuned to all UsuiReiki-symbols.

3. Institution is not the issue here. attunement to a specific energy-system is. If I wanted to teach Tera Mai, I couldn't beacause I'm not attuned to that. It has nothing to do wether I'm best pal with ULE or not. What's talking to me in the Usui-system is the warmth, love and simplicity.

4. There is no standard. There is a Reiki-joke that two masters is an argument  :)

6. I don't know about natural attunements since....well my life was different then :-) I do remember the feeling of energy from my childhood though but I guess full understanding is further down my path :-)

I know this about attunements though. When I was attuned to the Imara-system, my teacher and I had a misunderstanding on the time of the event. There I was in Gassho trying to bring down an attunement that never had been sent. I did some practice and felt a different energy.

After a couple of days, I was told the attunement never was sent and we rescheduled the event. The actual feeling of the attunement was a big difference to what I accomplished left to my own devices but, when I call upon the Imara energy, the feeling is like from my "own" little excersize. In this particular brand, there are no symbols so.... interesting experience though.

7. Knowledge and experience is all. But UsuiReiki is also the attunement - the Reiju that Usui frequently passed to his students. Maybe we should set up a part in the forum where we sign up for giving each others Reiju :)

8. No the subject is not over with the attunement - that is when the journey starts :) When I was teaching kids how to play rock-music, I always started them off with a rythmic x-ersize to make sure they could move their pick up and down to a metronome - timing is everything :-) If I was to teach Reiki, I'd make sure the basic is there...build a foundation.... timing :) That's how I try to learn from all of you.... go from the basic stuff and up....on the journey I frequently look back and rehearse the basics... Rock'n roll

9. No sorry Leon, I don't get this.. tell me  :D

10. Why would you lie?

My friend, I always try to show respect and I believe we are all equals. That's the way I play  ;)

I finish this rant off with a knowledge I used to spread to my pupils of rock: Tune your guitar  ;)

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2004, 12:52:53 AM »
Dear friends,

My opinion,

7 Are attunements the key factor? or is the knowledge and experience more important?

Attunements are the basics and there for the first start. Knowledge and experience will be found during the everlasting journey.

8 Is the subject over after i have had an attunement? Will i be able to teach reiki differently than i am doing now?
Yes and no.

Yes, then you, or better perhaps your students, can be assure that the energy is Reiki energy.
No, you already gained your knowlegde so why should that change?
 
9 As a test on how this forum works and the ideas of the people attending it. i signed in under a fake name  and pretended that i had all certificates and attunements and being a master.

This one hurt my feelings. I welcome all new members and trust in what they write. It is the basic thing on the SRI forum. No testing is needed.   :-\



It is a very delicate topic in my opinion. It feels like walking on eggs couse it is to personal. Like judging without the knowlegde. ( certainly in my case )

Ofcourse I respect all persons posting at this topic. (oh and all the others ofcourse as well :D)

My thoughts,

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2004, 01:14:53 AM »
Leon, I don't know what you lot are going on about, but can I just say something?

Do you know why I decided to become attuned in reiki just after two weeks starting to read on it?

Cos I came to realise that I already knew everything in theory and I was becoming quite an expert on it (in my own eyes, obviously). I caught myself short of ranting about something I didn't know anything about, since I had never tried it. And frankly, I felt rather foolish.

So, that's when I decided to jump into it, even if I was afraid it might be too soon. Cos I felt like a complete fake talking about it to newcomers when I hadn't even tried it. But theorically, I was parroting everything as I should. Did I know what I was talking about?

Well, how can one decribe a kiss if one has never been kissed?

It's just odd for me, that's all, but of course you're free to think whatever you'd like. And of course, let others think what they like too. Personal experience on live and let die :)
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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2004, 04:00:20 AM »
Hi Leon,

I have given the subject carefull consideration the last days and would like to reflect my thoughts here.
1 Tony you were not completely right when you said that i should have said that attunements were not nessecerry. I ment they were not of any value to me and My situation. this does not mean that others might benefit from it.
Fair enough Leon, but please don't say that because others wish to be attuned to Reiki, that it is not as good of an energy system as you are using.  You use your system, others use what works for them. Plain and simple.

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2 I believe that an attunement clears the way of receiving energy, reiki or others. an attunement in it self doe not mean that you are able to teach reiki. I happen to come accross serveral people on this forum who are attuned but dont know nothing about reiki or any energy so let out how to guide or teach.
There are many people who cannot teach even after years of being accredited teachers! It is not something that is specific to Reiki. However, I agree an attunement does not mean someone is ready to teach, it merely means they have received an attunement to that Level.  The ability of passing on knowledge as a Reiki teacher, comes from being attuned to Reiki, then working with and learning what we can about the energy.  

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I was once attuned by a memebr of this forum long after i have discovered the energy my self, just to know what the effect would be. well there was no extra in it for me. i felt exactly the same as before. But then again i gave this a thought and chances are that i was attuned wrongly or not at all or that something else went wrong.  Because of that possibility and because i am not a ego i talked to a well know person on this form who is willing to give me an attunement, and i will report honnestly the feedback.
Leon, I can understand that you may not have felt anything with your first attunement. You had been working with energy for some time at that point, and your body had already adjusted to it.  Most people who receive attunements are new to energy work therefore the sensations they feel are noticeable because it is previously 'unexperienced'.  I can also see where this not feeling anything would lead you to take a re-attunement. One thing though, can you leave your expectations at the door?  It will be very hard to do because your posts are already showing that you are expecting to feel something totally different than what you already do.  You have in essence set yourself up for disappointment. I'm really not so sure you can be impartial in this case. However, I do trust you will try to give us your feedback honestly, and look forward to hearing it.  

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3 I do not like the institution that is kept high: without a attunement you dont count. Well if that is the case i am sure that i know a hell of a lot more about energy and the behaviour of energy than most of the people that are masters arround here.
In some places there is a facet of people who do behave as "my Reiki is better than your Reiki". Happily I can say that SRI isn't one of them.  We talk openly about ideas, thoughts and feelings dealing with Reiki.

However, do I detect a hint of anger here? In your point above you are saying you are not ego, yet in this point (3) you are saying you know a hell of a lot more that others around here.  What has hurt you so much that you react in anger like this?  Maybe I am misreading it, but my initial reaction to this was that you are hurt because you are having to defend your style of energy work.  I can speak for no one else but myself here, but since you have made it very clear you are not attuned to Reiki, it would be preferable if you promoted your own energy work as being unique to you, not calling it Reiki as such.

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4 I know and have learned all the tips and tricks that come with reiki. I know the methods used and i know that everyone that claims to do reiki a certain style, is doing it differently, so what is the standard?
At the very least, the common standard of Reiki is being attuned as a Reiki practitioner.

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6 If attunements decide whatever you are reiki or not, why did we agree on the fact that natural atunements might be possible? Why cant someone be naturally connected to the reiki source?
I believe everyone is connected to the "One Source".  It is natural and inherent for all of us.  Some choose to use it, others don't.  Perhaps in many futures down the road we will be advanced enough that we won't need to put labels on anything, and everyone will freely work with energy. I still maintain though if someone is saying they are a Reiki practitioner, they should be attuned as a Reiki practitioner.

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7 Are attunements the key factor? or is the knowledge and experience more important?
Both, they go hand in hand. Especially when one wants to get into teaching.

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8 Is the subject over after i have had an attunement?
The subject of whether or not you are attuned to Reiki will then be over. Will your teaching style differ? Not likely, you have determined your method of teaching already.  

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9 As a test on how this forum works and the ideas of the people attending it. i signed in under a fake name  and pretended that i had all certificates and attunements and being a master. Strange but noone complained  see where i am aiming at?  I hope that you all forgive me this way of handeling but that was the only way i knew to hold up a mirror.  Profile has been deleted and wont be used again
It's too bad that you felt you had to 'test' us out.  Trust goes a long way in Reiki, indeed in daily living.  Most people I know go on that basis as well.  However, sometimes we come across situations which prove that not all can be trusted.  

Leon you do very valuable work.  You have put many years work into establishing a method of energy work that is specific to you.  Be proud of who you are and what you do.  The energy work you do is no less valuable than Reiki or any other type of healing system. Take pride in the fact that you can and do help people. But please, don't get upset with others if they have different thought patterns as far as Reiki goes.

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2004, 06:21:48 AM »
Leon,
You want  people on this Reiki forum to support your healing abilities and treat you as an equal.
Many of the mods here have posted their experiences of one on one healing that you have done with them....This shows support and respect for what you do Leon.


 
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I do not like the institution that is kept high: without a attunement you dont count. Well if that is the case i am sure that i know a hell of a lot more about energy and the behaviour of energy than most of the people that are masters arround here.Be aware no judging here, everyone is treated with respect by me and they will be in the future.

 



In my opinion everyone at SRI is pretty respectful of everyone else.  I sense very little negative judgement of others.
The Elitism of "reiki  styles" does not seem to be an issue here. I find that people here have always been accepting of who you are and the uniqueness of what you offer, Leon.

It appears that you feel that we do not promote you and your  healing system as you seem to expect us to, but again I must point out that we are here first and foremost because of reiki.
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But actually we don't really "promote" any one teacher, any one reiki style or any one healer individually, we are a community of healers.  

We advise individuals to develop their own sense of who they wish to study with and how to discover their own path.

 
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6. If attunements decide whatever you are reiki or not, why did we agree on the fact that natural atunements might be possible? Why cant someone be naturally connected to the reiki source
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On this forum we have talked constantly about "doing the work"...that is what makes someone "Reiki".

Why can't we be "naturally connected" you ask?
I believe that  are all naturally connected to ULE...



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7 Are attunements the key factor? or is the knowledge and experience more important?
 
 

"Attunement" prepares our systems for using the energy, gives us instant access to ULE (via the symbols), raises our vibrational level to help us be able use the energy and protects us from taking on issues of the people we are helping.

I repeat:  "doing the work"...that is what makes someone "Reiki" ...
and a "master" is someone who has been
"mastered by the reiki"....not someone with all the answers or collection of attunements....


 
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8 Is the subject over after i have had an attunement? Will i be able to teach reiki differently than i am doing now?would be nice but i think that it is a dream. A style of teaching does not change by it.  It depend on the person who is the teacher if the knows the difference between the one style and the other. I think i know these differences, and i think therfore that i can teach them, however i might be wrong here so i will await the replies.
 

After you have been attuned to third level, technically you will be able to teach reiki.  Because basically one of the first steps in "teaching reiki" is to be able to pass attunements.
Then you will need to do as all good masters do and wait for the universe to send you the student.  



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9 As a test on how this forum works and the ideas of the people attending it. i signed in under a fake name  and pretended that i had all certificates and attunements and being a master. Strange but noone complained  see where i am aiming at?  I hope that you all forgive me this way of handeling but that was the only way i knew to hold up a mirror.  Profile has been deleted and wont be used again

 
 
I feel that you need to expand how this deception proved anything about this forum, Leon.

When you were pretending to be a Reiki Master did people treat you very differently than they treat you as Leon?  Were they in awe of your certificates and attunements?  Did your responses to sending healing get more positive feed back?  You seem to be judging us because we trusted you...that we accepted your deception as truth.  What did you learn from this mirror?  

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2004, 01:47:07 PM »
Leon
I basically a someone who hasn't a clue but Here are my few words.

I Believe you have a Lot to Teach. I Can see from you and others that your energy has as much merit as any other energy or Reiki. its just a matter of personal preference after that.

If you wanted to Have your type of Healing to take over the world the You could call it Leon Reiki and Come up with a Few Symbols and there you are. The Latest in a long line of Reiki systems. But I Dont think that is your style.

I believe that a Lot of People can not understand that your energy and system does not have a name and does not have the usual trimmings. Therefore in there minds the believe it is not as worthy as a system with a name and symbols.

If You want to Teach yourself on a one to one basis I would hope the Admins and Mods would let you advertise (If you so wished) and I would wish you well.

Now to try and anwser Your original question

I Believe that All Reikis and Energys come from the Source/ULE.
I Believe that there any number of different Energies out there. there is an infinite number of energies that can be used for Healing / energy work.

As Alley Said it is possible to tell the difference between one energy and another
ie CKR and SHK and not the Same and can be seen as different.
Take CKR for example. This energy is a particular frequency / vibration and will therefor feel look and be sensed as different than other frequencies / vibrations.

Your energies will have a particular look and feel that differs them from other energies But It comes from the Same Place the Same Source that all other energies come from.

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Re:Different ways same result but less qualified?
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2004, 08:24:53 PM »
Leon,

I must admit to being a bit perplexed here, and don't take this the wrong way but this IS a forum based on reiki healing.

People come here because they are drawn to the reiki.  Once they have achieved what they want within reiki then they may move onto other things but basically it's Reiki that brings them here.

Nobody is in any doubt about your abilities, as has been said before we have ALL posted on this forum when you have worked one on one with any of us.

The ultimate problem that I see here is that you are practicing something (that is a truely great thing) that is not reiki and therefore, on a reiki forum, is a bit out of place.

I can see people coming to you once they have the basics under their belts so to speak but as you offer something different to what this forum offers you can only expect that there will be some problems.


These are just my personal thoughts Leon and I hope you don't take them the wrong way.  

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