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Symbol life span
« on: October 26, 2010, 09:16:40 AM »
We all use symbols during the Reiki and question struck to me, what is the life span of the Symbol?
and also is putting 2 Symbol means more healing than putting 1 Symbol of same kind?

I still have my rational mind working all the time  ???

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2010, 09:41:57 AM »
Hi PM, :)

I still have my rational mind working all the time  ???

So? Do you see something 'wrong' with that?

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2010, 05:57:07 PM »
question struck to me, what is the life span of the Symbol?

Is Reiki energy or are Reiki symbols subject to time at all ?

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2010, 09:08:58 PM »
This question can not be answered intelectualy. Who is This rational mind? How did this rational mind come to be?
Energy Symbols can not be experienced via the ego cluttered mind. Such mind is blinded by belief which again is invoked by hope and hope is born out of fear.

Only the Actualy Silent Mind can experience energy and symbols everything else is just I say you say he said she said they said and once we all take it as believable we teach others this census (?word?)



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The more you catch-yourself lost in a thought, the more you will catch
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 04:15:17 AM »
When a human creates a symbol or energy it has a life span and degrades over time.  Look at any human creation.  That is why we must renew, recreate, care for our creations.  naropa
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 01:48:43 PM »
This question can not be answered intelectualy. Who is This rational mind? How did this rational mind come to be?
Energy Symbols can not be experienced via the ego cluttered mind. Such mind is blinded by belief which again is invoked by hope and hope is born out of fear.

Only the Actualy Silent Mind can experience energy and symbols everything else is just I say you say he said she said they said and once we all take it as believable we teach others this census (?word?)

Fear is an energy... and you/me/everyone can experience that without a quite mind....

When a human creates a symbol or energy it has a life span and degrades over time.

If were talking about Reiki...wasn't Reiki channeled... ?

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 02:38:37 PM »
wasn't Reiki channeled... ?

Go On?? gimme more!!

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 05:06:37 PM »
Go On?? gimme more!!

Erm... I'm not sure what you're getting at Tim - Usui channeled Reiki... everyone knows that don't they?..... if you're trying to get me to spit something out ... you're going to have to give me more :P

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 09:00:01 PM »
"Usui channeled Reiki... everyone knows that don't they?."

No one knows that. We are all repeating what we were told by our Reiki Teachers and they were told the same from theirs etc. We have been told and then we Believe. Few dare to question it.
We can not know unless we experience the energy actualy (as very likely Usui did in intense meditation) and to do that is to free the mind from the always craving ego self.

Reiki is a system not the energy. At first Usui call this system Usui-do.

Reiki system imo is tought backwards. Energy channeling and energy invoking before actualy silencing the one creating the mess and wasting our energy, The Ego Self. How to fill a cup with no bottom?
There will be no true healing if we keep percieving the energy as something from the outside. Ego Self tend to separate it self from the energy via fancy ideas and fear.

Symbols are important the least. Awareness is what Reiki System is all about, developing awareness of alk that is and developing compassion but not the intelectual compassion which holds onto ideas onto thoughts onto illusion. But actualy by being present in the moment without judgement without fear.
Gokai is at the Heart of the System of Reiki.

Does energy flow better if this or that is of no importance. What is, is the awareness of our selves doubting, being uncertain, unsatisfied, needing to believe to be told ... This one is the main couse of suffering. The separated self :)

Do symbols get old, weak... trouble yourself not with this. Instead sit down in the morning and in the evening and observe the self which is being angry, worrying, doubting, proud, jelous, envious, and else. It is not about repeating the gokai words but actualy seeing who we are just for today.
Place your hands onto your head and calm the body just be without wishing a thing, just let it be and be aware of the mind.

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The more you catch-yourself lost in a thought, the more you will catch
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 10:01:09 PM »
We are all repeating what we were told by our Reiki Teachers and they were told the same from theirs etc. We have been told and then we Believe. Few dare to question it.

Personally, I'm not sure if it's who 'dares' to question it, but who 'Cares' to question it... I don't know for a fact, but I'm sure, human nature being as it is, people mostly think - "aha.. the magic tool to obtain my 'perfect dream life'... thanks very much - now I'll be on my way!"

Reiki system imo is tought backwards. Energy channeling and energy invoking before actualy silencing the one creating the mess and wasting our energy, The Ego Self.

I Honestly know exactly what you mean... but that 'ego' that everyone is so eagre to bash and attempt to be free from - and, yes, draws many of us down the 'wrong' path and wastes our energy - to me, is as much of an amazing and astonishing creation as Reiki - I'm not saying let all 'egoic thoughts' run unbridled and 'uncensored' dictate all of our actions - but it's kind of like saying "Dandelions - ugly weeds. Roses - beautiful flowers - bring on the weedkiller!"

Do symbols get old, weak... trouble yourself not with this. Instead sit down in the morning and in the evening and observe the self which is being angry, worrying, doubting, proud, jelous, envious, and else. It is not about repeating the gokai words but actualy seeing who we are just for today.

Some of those angry , worrying and doubting thoughts leads you to adopt meditation :)



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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 04:54:27 AM »
If were talking about Reiki...wasn't Reiki channeled... ?
Sure, channeled.  I drew upon a broad statement but I was speaking to creating a symbol as when we draw or visualize a reiki symbol.  Naropa
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2010, 09:09:14 AM »
Stawberry, meditation is not important only awareness of all that Is is :)

It is not about killing the ego but to awake awareness just for today every day.

Both who dares and cares is stepping out of the darkness of ignorance.

If Reiki Energy is so miraculous then all who get it or are attuned to it would lead healthy and fullfiled lives but that is not the case.

Some might sthrow words like it is their bad karma. Who knows these things?! This too i am being told and must believe in it, or not.

Reiki is about developing compassion and kindness which can be brought about only if the selfish self concerned self is silenced not by killing it nor by being its enemy but rather making a friend out this ego of yours who is such a hyper thing in need to find problems and gossip of all sorts.
The only way to teach the ego to be still is by giving it something to do so it is happy while the true me (the me which is in the now) is keeping an awake observant eye watching its every move without judgement.

I got a puppy recently and puppies need a calm assertive leader in acordance to learn what is ok and what is not ok to be done. To be able to calm down my overly excited pupp i too must calm first in acordance to see a result. As soon i calm my puppycalms too. As this puppy so is the ego a kind of in need of a pack leader otherwise if the pack leader is not aware of the pack so will the puppy try to take over the leadership.

Awareness of all that is, creates an awake and calm state of mind and body, which gives us insight into the true nature of the self and compassion becomes the natural state of our being since most people live in their mind prissons and once you realise this compassion is born.

The calmer the puppy the less stress hormones there is in the body to effect the mind and the more one is intune with The energy.

Remain aware remain calm :)
"Each waking-up moment plants a seed for future waking-up moments." This is really true.
The more you catch-yourself lost in a thought, the more you will catch
yourself lost in other states during your ordinary life.
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2010, 09:12:55 AM »
Thank you for your comments guys, I guess topic was to discuss the Life Span of Sybmol and way it works.
I think we try to give common answer to all question the way we perceive the things, please be specific about your comments on Life Span of Symbol.

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2010, 09:59:27 AM »
The question was answered but you failed to see it my friend because you expect an answer in a more direct form like "yes it will" or "no it will not, instead you should do this". Am i right?

Would you belive me if i would tell you that this symbol will work forever if you only eat twice a day?
Would you belive Strawberry if she would tell you that this symbol will not work at all if you dont sing Madonnas papa dont preach?
Or would you rather choose to belive Naropa saying that awareness and compassion is what counts not the symbol itself ;)

No matter what you choose to belive, you will not find the actual answer without inquiering into the subject with awake awareness. Most Reiki rituals are just that, rituals.

If i am to hang a picture on the wall i need a hummer and a nail. The picture is the ultimate compassionate being and the hummer and nail is reiki. The force aiming and hitting the nail is awareness, awake and calm, otherwise you might miss the nail and hit your finger instead lol

Crave nothing! Remain aware and calm.

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The more you catch-yourself lost in a thought, the more you will catch
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2010, 10:49:21 AM »
Thank you for your comments guys, I guess topic was to discuss the Life Span of Sybmol and way it works.
I think we try to give common answer to all question the way we perceive the things, please be specific about your comments on Life Span of Symbol.

PM here is my speak

I believe that Reiki is not subject to time.  I also believe that symbols are Reiki and thus not subject to time. As am I not subject to time.
My body and mind are subject to time.

Tim

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2010, 04:37:09 AM »
How do we test this ?

I believe that Reiki is not subject to time.  I also believe that symbols are Reiki and thus not subject to time. As am I not subject to time.
My body and mind are subject to time.

Tim
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2010, 11:05:44 AM »
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I believe that Reiki is not subject to time.  I also believe that symbols are Reiki and thus not subject to time. As am I not subject to time.
My body and mind are subject to time.

Tim

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How do we test this ?

Indeed, how do we test this? Briliant question :-)
Is belief realy needed if I ACTUALY am energy, if the flow Is experiential? What does belief got to do in such an actual event?
In this case whether symbols are reiki or reiki symbols is of no importance but rather the BELIEF behind this or rather where there is belief there is HOPE because both are sharing one thing in common and that is Fear. We cling to a belief, we hope for better (sometimes for worse).

Usui attained the flow! Isn't this enough for you to see the way? Usui did not have symbols, he fasted and meditated. Why does one do this? To get attuned to energy or to for once and for all disipate the actual trouble maker, the egocentred self, the one craving for so many things.

Reiki is a practice a system not some outside energy, some specialy labeled energy which is ONLY available to those being "attuned" :-) what a bunch of crap ;-)

These teaching such nonsense are only creating more suffering in those they teach. There is no energy flow where ego-self runs the show because energy Is in the very Now and ego self lives in the past in the land of fear (desire and aversion).
Am I wrong? Please test this for your self please :-)
Be a friend and test this by sitting with your very self and see if you can sit in peace with your self just for today just for an hour. Do this for 21 days every day just for today for an hour. Do not perform any rituals just sit and be aware of all that is happening in your mind.

Please do so and report back, we all might learn something genious out of this :-)
Take care friends and remain mindful remain relaxed.
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The more you catch-yourself lost in a thought, the more you will catch
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2010, 12:40:55 PM »
Teachings tend to serve the purpose of aiding the student to experience the universe he is not yet aware of and provides tools for working with the mind and ego making them full of sense.  Follow the gourd!

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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2010, 04:22:11 PM »
I still like this message.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLxSfUJAlY 
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Re: Symbol life span
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2010, 10:11:26 PM »
I too like Allan Watts and think he is a genious but for me and you this just creating more mental crap just creating more ideas. For him all that said is useful since he experienced it actualy. For me and you all he sais is just another obsticle. Ideas, ideas, ideas.
The only and best teacher you will ever neef is your conditioned self. Stay with it, observe it as it is, keep your body healthy and calm, relaxed, the mimd will clense it self from this self absorbed fearful ego which is made of past and therefore already dead.
Stop living as a Zombie half alive half dead, come back to the now, to your senses by being aware, being mindful of all that is happening in you.
Meditation is mindful living. Meditative practice is the tool to achive constant meditation, an awake state aware of all that is where responding replaces reacting, where actual natural compassionate state replaces fear for the self.

May you all be happy may you all be free from suffering :)

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"Each waking-up moment plants a seed for future waking-up moments." This is really true.
The more you catch-yourself lost in a thought, the more you will catch
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KN