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[Naropa]

What about Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche ?   

[Che Guebuddha]

Rinpoche, Krishnamurti, Osho etc... Yes read them a bit, but not too much. Just enough to get the first insight. The rest of the ride is yours to take Alone. Discard Buddhas, Rinpoche, Krishnamurti, A.Watts, osho etc... Ideas ideas ideas. Good ones yes but still not born in your mind actualy via experiencing it but intelectualy clinging to it. This is how cravings arise and as such suffering comes to be.

Keep it simple, and observe all that is in your mind and body without taking sides without judging the experience. The untrue will fall off on its own the real will show it self and blossom. The compassionate state comes to be unforced.

Reiki is not about symbols or taking attunements it is about waking up the compassionate state of the true being. The energy flows not via symbols but through the Actual a Non-Acting Compassionate Heart.

Practice not blind symbols, instead get to know the self and calm it down in the light of awareness.
There is imbalance between the concious and unconcious. Too much unconcious causes ignorance suffering. Bring it all to light of YOUR awareness

Friendly

[PM]

Hi Che Guebuddha,

"Reiki is not about symbols or taking attunements it is about waking up the compassionate state of the true being. The energy flows not via symbols but through the Actual a Non-Acting Compassionate Heart. "

"These teaching such nonsense are only creating more suffering in those they teach"

So you mean hand position and reiki symbols we put on chackra are not needed. So all of us should stop doing it? and only meditate and let reiki flow through us. Even attunements are not needed? I am just raising questions.

[Che Guebuddha]

We all suffer to a varying degree.
We all try to avoid suffering by aversion or desire.
This very aversion and desire creates suffering (ignorance n greed)

Many Reiki practitioners cling to "the power" of symbols, systems, masters, attunements for one reason only!!! To get the most powerful deal so to avoid suffering.

Most reikis fail to see that their very mind, the culturaly conditioned mind is the actual trouble maker the one creating all that suffering; greed, ignorance, desire, aversion, fear, anger, worry etc

Usui left the Precepts behind for some reason. And how did Japanese practice precepts back in those days. Not by brainwashing one self by repeting them blindly but by reflecting on them, contemplating them after or before the meditation session. Reiki has a Hatsurei Ho meditation but before one engages in such complex visualisation i strongly feel one is better of calming the body-mind first by simple Calm-abiding. Once the body is calm the mind will calm down too and one will at the same time gain Insight into the nature of the mind and body.

May you be happy

[PM]

Quite manipulative answer!!

Can you directly tell me what is your opinion about following questions?

So you mean hand position and reiki symbols we put on chackra are not needed? So all of us should stop doing it?

[Che Guebuddha]

Im being honest my friend not at all manipulative

You do exactly what resonates well with you at this time.

This is my reply for this thread about clinging to Symbols or else;

Usui attained the flow! Isn't this enough for you to see the way? Usui did not have symbols, he fasted and meditated. Why does one do this? To get attuned to energy or to for once and for all disipate the actual trouble maker, the egocentred self, the one craving for so many things.

Reiki is a practice a system not some outside energy, some specialy labeled energy which is ONLY available to those being "attuned" :-) what a bunch of crap ;-)

These teaching such nonsense are only creating more suffering in those they teach. There is no energy flow where ego-self runs the show because energy Is in the very Now and ego self lives in the past in the land of fear (desire and aversion).
Am I wrong? Please test this for your self please :-)
Be a friend and test this by sitting with your very self and see if you can sit in peace with your self just for today just for an hour. Do this for 21 days every day just for today for an hour. Do not perform any rituals just sit and be aware of all that is happening in your mind.

Please do so and report back, we all might learn something genious out of this :-)
Take care friends and remain mindful remain relaxed.

This is how i see it you do what you please. Sharing experience is all we can do all the rest is just mind boggling

May you be happy

[strawberry]

PM, Where did you read manipulation into Che's answer? < Not a rhetorical question.

Quite manipulative answer!!

[strawberry]

Usui attained the flow! Isn't this enough for you to see the way? Usui did not have symbols, he fasted and meditated. Why does one do this? To get attuned to energy or to for once and for all disipate the actual trouble maker, the egocentred self, the one craving for so many things.

The thing is Che, you are interested in enligthtenment - the ultimate problem solver, so to speak, and a lot of people only become interested in Reiki to solve the problem that is hindering their progress to the goal that they beleive will be The Very Thing to solve their problems for good... wasn't that how first became involved with Reiki? To Solve a particular problem?

These teaching such nonsense are only creating more suffering in those they teach.

That was *Your* experience was is not? If you qualified your statement by saying "in my experience"... then it could avoid perpetuating a negative myth/rumour about Reiki... actually, you can do what you like, but I'm just saying... and you said as much yourself;

Sharing experience is all we can do all the rest is just mind boggling

Also Che,

Usui attained the flow! Isn't this enough for you to see the way? Usui did not have symbols, he fasted and meditated. Why does one do this? To get attuned to energy or to for once and for all disipate the actual trouble maker, the egocentred self, the one craving for so many things.

Reiki is a practice a system not some outside energy, some specialy labeled energy which is ONLY available to those being "attuned" :-) what a bunch of crap ;-)

Usui went through all that and attained everything ...the energy... the symbols... and I don't beleive the energy is available *only* to those being attuned is it..? Attunment is a 'Short Cut' available to everyone as a result of what Usui went through as far as I can tell.

I can't claim to know a whole lot about Reiki history, but.. isn't Reiki actually a system of enlightenment.. that is how it was first ''Billed" I think (?)... and so when a person is attuned and uses Reiki... they may beleive in their 'Ego Self' that they are fine tuning themselves for worldly success (that will render them problem free/happy forever more) in what ever form that may take... but actually they are becoming enlightened... their 'Ego Self' prompted them towards becoming attuned to Reiki and using Reiki under false pretences... and it is actually the Higher Self that is running the show.. and they are becoming enlightened... but are not yet consciously aware of that.

[Che Guebuddha]

I know only that i dont know a thing.

Nice to see you too Strawberry

May you be happy